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BrunswickT
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posted 08-29-2009 09:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BrunswickT   Click Here to Email BrunswickT     Edit/Delete Message
I'm quite sure that most of us have read the report about the registered sex offender that held a young girl captive for about 18 years in his backyard tents, reportedly fathering two children by her.

The report I read stated that Phillip Garrido, a registered sex offender, and suspect in murders and rapes somehow eluded the keen eyes of his parole officer and Police Officers, but not their neighbors.

Numerous reports about Garrido keeping children at his property did not cause any LEO personnel to execute a probable cause search??

Does anyone know if Garrido was in a containment program, or if he was ever polygraphed about his sexual activities???

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sackett
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posted 09-02-2009 12:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sackett   Click Here to Email sackett     Edit/Delete Message
Yeah, he was on some federal case and he was on interstate compact from Nevada for the last couple of decades on a life parole issue occurring in Reno.

Rumor has it (unconfirmed): several months ago a status report was posted in his Nevada records from CA indicating he was in full compliance with his supervision.

I think sombody in California is in BIG trouble. Glad it ain't me...

Jim

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Taylor
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posted 09-02-2009 04:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Taylor   Click Here to Email Taylor     Edit/Delete Message
'I think somebody in California is in BIG trouble'..........Hell yeah - somebody SHOULD be in BIG trouble.

BTW, Sackett..I'm glad it isn't you too..lol FYI: we all know you would never be that negligent.

That poor girl.

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sackett
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posted 09-02-2009 04:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sackett   Click Here to Email sackett     Edit/Delete Message
Amen to both counts!

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Bob
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posted 09-02-2009 07:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bob     Edit/Delete Message
Back to Tom's original question- Does anybody know if Garrido underwent any periodic polygraph exams? If so, there might be some more lessons learned here if he 'passed.'

Bob

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Taylor
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posted 09-04-2009 04:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Taylor   Click Here to Email Taylor     Edit/Delete Message
I have heard rumors that APA is trying to find out before they make a statement as this would be a great opportunity for some positive PR on PCSOT - if he didn't have a poly.

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Barry C
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posted 09-04-2009 05:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Barry C   Click Here to Email Barry C     Edit/Delete Message
So far, I've not heard they used polygraph. I saw an article in a Colorado paper saying they don't think it would happen there as easily because they use polygraph. I'm hoping they checked and found the other didn't, but I'm still waiting for some official news.

This guy is one of the reasons it's good to have more than one examiner in the mix....

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BrunswickT
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posted 09-08-2009 05:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BrunswickT   Click Here to Email BrunswickT     Edit/Delete Message
I don't want to belabor the point that California needs to improve their parole system, especially for predator registered sex offenders.
Yet with the DUGARD case still under formal investigation, I'm reading articles cautioning politicians to resist the urge to pass more stringent laws pertaining to controlling registered sex offenders that are on parole.

This is an excerpt from one such article;

"There are already too many names on sexual offender registries around the country--about 674,000 all told, according to the New York Times. It ought to come as a relief to know that there are not that many vicious perverts of the likes of Phillip Garrido, arrested in Dugard's case. ( The vast majority of child abductions involve custody disputes; children are ususally taken by parents or other relatives.)

But the Garridos infect our memories and invade our nightmares, dredging up our deepest fears about human nature. Every time a case like this comes to dominate the news, public officials make new pledges to protect the public, trying to outdo each other with promises of harsh justice for predators. This has led to sexual registries overburdened with peeping Toms, flashers and foolish adolescents who had sex with a slightly younger teenager.

Law enforcement agencies shouldn't have to waste valuable time and resources trying to monitor the creeps who drop their britches in public. They are disgusting, but they are not usually dangerous. Or teenagers who have sex on school property may not get the Student of the Year award, but they should not be on sex registries either.

No matter how many or how few names are on any registry, there will never be a perfect system for foiling the worst predators. GARRIDO CHECKED IN WITH HIS PAROLE OFFICER REGULARLY, ACCORDING TO PUBLISHED REPORTS, AND WORE A TRACKING DEVICE TO MONITOR HIS WHEREABOUTS. HE STILL MANAGED TO RUIN A CHILD'S LIFE AFTER HE WAS PAROLED ON A RAPE CONVICTION."

This article was written by Cynthia Tucker and can be reached at (cynthia@ajc.com)

While Ms. Tucker seems to express an uneducated opinion concerning holding habitual sex offenders accountable for their actions, she does make a point about the screening process for registries.

Sadly, state legislatures have often responded with a kneejerk reaction, not considering the bureaucracy or cost of administering a patchwork of laws.

We have readily identified the potential benefit of periodic polygraph examinations that could very well have intervened in Garrido's criminal activities.

I certainly hope that C.A.P.E and the A.P.A. seize upon this opportunity to make some noise in the state legislature about the part that polygraph can play in the monumental effort of containing sex offending predators.

I would welcome the participation of the California members of this forum to chime in with their thoughts.

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Ted Todd
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posted 09-08-2009 10:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ted Todd     Edit/Delete Message
Brunswickt,

Lets keep this accurate here. The suspect in this case was on Federal Parole...not California Parole. This is an excellent opportunity for all of us to learn better ways of doing our jobs. I think we should ignore the media "hype" and wait for all of the facts to come in.


Ted

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BrunswickT
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posted 09-08-2009 10:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BrunswickT   Click Here to Email BrunswickT     Edit/Delete Message
Point well taken Ted.

I suppose I'm just venting frustration.

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Ted Todd
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posted 09-09-2009 09:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ted Todd     Edit/Delete Message
Brunswickt

It's OK to vent-that's what most of us do here!

Take care,

Ted

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thenolieguy4u
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posted 09-17-2009 10:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for thenolieguy4u   Click Here to Email thenolieguy4u     Edit/Delete Message
Hi All,

I am a California member. I think Ted is right. Also, it brings out the point that for those who do PCSOT there should be an APA qualified panel who approaches the Federal Courts to lobby for PCSOT on the Federal leval. I say this given Fed Rule of Evidence 702 already in place, and ASTM Standards; and where those who are monitored in Fed Probation or Parole for sex offenses could be better managed, as not to escape their respective State's and municipalities concerns just because they fall under a different header, but for the same offenses. That guy and his wife in Antioch are the poster boy and girl example for that cause. Further, it would bring further credibility on our profession if APA members did so, and we were able to make a distrinction about those who merely own the equipment such as PEOA types, and the actual Examiners in the profession who could be of real assistance.

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rnelson
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posted 09-17-2009 11:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rnelson   Click Here to Email rnelson     Edit/Delete Message
We also have to refrain from the impulse to draw sweeping conclusions from a single intense case.

There is a lot to learn from this type of thing. However, the degree to which that knowlege is generalizable will depend, in part, on how well Garrido fits the normal profile of offenders in the Federal system.

Attempting to fit a model to an exceptional individual is of little actual value. For example, if we made risk assessment instruments looking for Ted Bundy's profile, we'd miss most other offenders. When we build risk assessment models that fit most offenders, Ted Bundy will score low to moderate risk on many of those models. This is not to suggest that Bundy wan't dangerous, only that he was exeptional even among other dangerous persons. We simply do not know enough about Garrido yet to fully appreciate what exactly there is to learn from him.

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